Leonard Hatred 5:54 Thu Jan 22
The Battle Of Rorke's Drift
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Happened today in 1879.
*sings Men of Harlech, in baritone*
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Saul Bollox
3:00 Sat Jan 24
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Oh good another Zulu thread.
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claret50
3:25 Sat Jan 24
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Ahh, I see, unfortunately I wasn't around for the original version and can only remember the film version. ;)
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stomper
3:14 Sat Jan 24
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Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was referring to the song sung by the British soldiers at Rorke's Drift
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claret50
3:10 Sat Jan 24
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Thanks for the history lesson, but I was referring to the song from the film.
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stomper
3:02 Sat Jan 24
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I'm sorry
http://www.rorkesdriftvc.com/myths/myths.htm
"We've all seen the marvellous movie, where the heroic Welsh garrison at Rorke's Drift match the awesome Zulu war-chants with a stirring rendition of Men of Harlech. Come on Ivor, sing something they know …
Well, it wasn't quite like that. In fact, the county designation of the 24th Regiment in 1879 was the 2nd Warwickshires; they didn't change their title to the South Wales Borderers until 1st July 1881 - almost exactly two years after the war had ended. True, the Regimental Depot had been established at Brecon, in South Wales, in 1873, and from that point there was a small but significant increase in Welsh recruits in the ranks. In fact, however, recruits for the regiment - like every other battalion in the British army - were signed on at recruiting depots across the country, and the 24th consisted of men from England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales. The most that can be said is that the Welsh connection had, by 1879, led to a rather higher proportion of Welshman in the ranks than was common elsewhere. Nevertheless, even the most optimistic search of the regimental roll can find only 19 men of B Company, 2/24th, with any sort of Welsh connection - out of a total strength of more than 80. Of course, there were detachments of numerous other units - including Colonial Volunteers - present at the battle, making a total garrison of about 145. So the Welsh contingent comprised no more than 15% of the total.
And no-one, I'm sorry to say, sang Men of Harlech; the regimental march in 1879 was The Warwickshire Lads."
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claret50
2:11 Sat Jan 24
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The song was Men of Harlech.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_of_Harlech
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stomper
1:41 Sat Jan 24
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Swiss
They sang but not Men of Harlech
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Swiss.
5:37 Fri Jan 23
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My hero is Major General James Wolfe. Only 32. won at Quebec and Bromhead's ancestor served under him.
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Northern Sold
5:32 Fri Jan 23
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Granted...
* hums Men of Oak *
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Swiss.
5:31 Fri Jan 23
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If youn include teh sea 3/4
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Northern Sold
5:30 Fri Jan 23
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You thought wrong Swiss... we ruled the fucking world... well half of it anyway
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Swiss.
5:28 Fri Jan 23
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On Wiki its says British loss at Isandlwana against indigenous race. OK they are to Africa but not the region. I thought they were invaders.
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bruuuno
5:27 Fri Jan 23
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Did you c&p that Eddie?
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Eddie B
5:26 Fri Jan 23
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Oh do fuck off, bruuuno.
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bruuuno
5:25 Fri Jan 23
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Ahem, PR stunt anyone? Some things never change...
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Northern Sold
4:38 Fri Jan 23
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Legends regardless of what parts of Britain they were from.
Well said Grumps...
VC Winners birthplaces
W.Allen - Monmouthshire WALES
G.Bromhead - FRANCE
J.Chard - Devon ENGLAND
J.Dalton - London ENGLAND
F.Hitch - London ENGLAND
A.Hook - Gloucester ENGLAND
R.Jones - Monmouthshire WALES
W.Jones - Worcestershire ENGLAND
J.Reynolds IRELAND
C.Schiess - SWITZERLAND
J.Williams - Abergaveney WALES
So 5 English, 3 taffs, 1 Frenchie, 1 Mick, 1 Swiss.... right ol' mix bag
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VirginiaHam
3:07 Fri Jan 23
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normannomates 2:48 Fri Jan 23
There was a documentary done on Isandlwana by National Geographic. It featured a forensic examination of the battlefield and they managed to piece together what happened.
They also interviewed a 4th (or so) generation zulu, whose forefathers had fought in the battle. Apart from the magic mushrooms comment the zulu said that the preferred killing method was to overpower the soldiers, knock them on the ground and then assegai them in the heads. The documentary then showed what effect the spear had on a sheeps's skull to underline the effectiveness of a spear to the head.
Nice.
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Grumpster
2:33 Fri Jan 23
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Zulu is the bollocks.
And with no disrespect to the brave men and women who serve in the forces nowadays, was proper brown trousers days back then with no air support to lower their numbers!
Can only imagine what was going through most of those buggers heads seeing those odds.
Legends regardless of what parts of Britain they were from.
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bruuuno
2:28 Fri Jan 23
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Kearley 2:22 Fri Jan 23
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bruuuno
Most countries that were part of the British Empire are in a much better state today than their neighbours who were not.
True, but you can also blame a lot of the major problems in the world in British colonialism. I don't really give a fuck personally - if it hasn't have been us then it would have been the frogs. Just not sure how cool it is to celebrate it in these modern times
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bruuuno
2:26 Fri Jan 23
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It didnt become a Taff regiment til about fourteen years after, was predominantly blokes from Warwickshire etc iirc
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Swiss.
2:24 Fri Jan 23
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Seem to remember the regiment was a recent (at taht tilme) merger of a Brum and Welsh brigade. However very few were welsh.
Wasn't The Men Of Harlech thing a myth?
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